On this episode of Talk of Love, Joe Pascolla joins Lacey to unpack two of the most notorious chapters in “Of Love” history: Megan Wants a Millionaire and the canceled third season of I Love Money. Joe talks about how he got cast, clears up whether he was actually a millionaire, and shares what Ryan Jenkins was like before everything fell apart.

He also looks back on the crazy times filming in the ILM3 house, recounting secret smoke sessions and drunken producer interviews. He shares the details of the night of his elimination, when he tried to void his own check before Ryan could do it, and ended up throwing a drink in Ryan’s face. The interview gets darker when Joe reflects on the aftermath of Ryan’s crimes, and what it was like to be forever tied to two canceled shows. The conversation is humorous and wild, yet deeply surreal.