Dave Amerman, better known as 12 Pack, joins Lacey on the podcast for a hilarious and revealing conversation about I Love New York, Daisy of Love, and I Love Money. He talks about his feelings for New York, his attraction to Daisy, and his friendship with Heat—while also revealing that his secret to reality TV success may have been guyliner and Jäger bombs.

12 Pack spills the tea on one of the craziest unplanned moments in Daisy of Love history: the infamous skunk incident. He also reflects on the frustration of watching London quit, only to return back to the show later, and his relationship with Heather Chadwell on I Love Money, and her unhinged reaction towards him at the reunion.

(This is part 1 of 2 interviews with 12 Pack on Talk of Love.)